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It is obvious that Mr. Dinesh D'souza does not comprehend the threat that we face. He does not comprehend that jihad was launched by muhammad himself in 624 A.D. and is on since. muslims have wiped out Persia, seized Kabul (now afghanistan) centuries ago, and got West Punjab (now pakistan) and East Bengal (now bangladesh). Kashmir is the only state in India in which the muslims are a majority, and just look at what is going on there. Look at what is happening in Serbia. Who wants Kosovo ? And what is going on in Chenchenya ? What is going on in France where there are thousands of muslims ghettos that are a no-go zones for the infidels and the police chief says that they are facing a civil war ? Lores, please can you ask all these questions of Dinesh ? Thank you.

I don't think that we, as a nation, understood Islam before 9/11. I don't think most of us understand it afterwards either. I am one of the few who is getting an understanding of it - but it has taken many books, and other readings and listening to people on the web.

Bush didn't understand it before 9/11 and when he said that Islam is the religion of peace - that gives us a clue that he still did not understand Islam. Calling this war - a war on terror - gives us another clue the government still does not understand Islam. He needs to call this war correctly - not call it a war against a tactic - but a war against Islam.

Clinton certainly escalated the Islamics actions against us. While the left worries that the FRench laugh at us - I know now that during his administration - the Islamics were laughing at us and that is what we should be more concerned with. He enabled them when he cut/run out of Somalia, lobbed a missile at Hussein and then did nothing else, and then helped muslims slaughter more Christian in Bosnia/Kosovo. And this enabled Al Qaeda to set up bases there and train muslims to kill us. 5 of the 19 of 9/11 came from there, all of the London and Madrid bombers came from there along with the fuses of the bombs. It is still a hotbed that the left, oh er I mean NATO, just sits back and watch muslims slaughter innocents.

Because the left hates Bush, they don't do anything else except to fight his policies and that only tells the muslims that the USA does not have the resolve to fight them.

Now, we see muslims wanting the koran used in courts of law - the koran, which says to lie to us, to decieve us in order to advance Islam. There is no 10 commandments in the koran - nothing that tells them to tell the truth to anyone. And the congressman who used the koran to take the oath of office - that was another joke. The koran is the same book that is telling them to fight us, the infidels, and Islamicize the world.

Right now, the muslims in America are in dar al Suyl (I think I spelled that correctly) basically it is a state of deception. They are to mislead us until they can achieve dar al Islam (Islamicize us). And they will probably have to go into dar al Harb (state of war) like they have in other countries - Lebanon, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Southeast Asia, Africa, etc.

So, what am I saying - the Republicans have a closer idea as to what we are up against after 9/11 - but not because they have a clue of what Islam is all about - but because it is politically better right now.

I don't believe in 'moderate' muslims anymore. Why? Because all those millions of 'moderates' do nothing to stop the radicals. They dance and ulalate in the streets when their psychopathic murderers, oh er I mean 'martyrs', kill innocents; they knowingly mislead us as to what Islam is really about, ie: jihad ( it is NOT a peaceful, inner struggle!); and they are told by their koran (and hadiths) that if they cannot do the killing then they are supposed to support those who do by other means in order to attain heaven. And that is what we see today while they are in dar al suyl.

what Dinesh D'souza said about northern india was absolute garbage hindus were forced to convert or die in their millions look up the story of the sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur under the rule of Aurangzeb as just one example there are so so many more.

Lores, you should have considered some more time for this discussion, it may be confusing for people without any fore-knowledge about this subject.

Robert did a great job and I really wish that more people will have a closer look into these problems.

I have been following the debate between Mr. D'souza and Robert Spencer the last week. I was pleased to hear the two together finally. This is truly a discussion that should be held at a national level. We are certainly at a crossroads as far as our future is concerned. We must confront those that wish to destroy us. Appeasement of the radical segments of Islam or even the "Moderate" segment, as Mr. D'souza proposes, is not an option. From all I understand about the RoP, it is going to require a definitive military victory to secure our future. Unfortunately, I also believe that this is going to be a recurring struggle till the end of times. The weapons may change, but the ideology behind the struggle will remain the same. This is truly a fight were we can learn from the past since it has been fought before.

is there a text of this debate?

Spencer, for all his insights and wisdom, is a fear-filled idiot when it comes to exchanges like this one. He's so damned wound up. He does no good for the cause when he won't shut his trap after making a point and let the other side get a word in edgewise. God, the man is embarrassing.

That was a great show. Very good discussion. Wish they could have been a bit more orderly, but excellent show. Thanks.

I will also add that one of Spencer's good friends is Srdje Trifkovic of The Rockford Institute, who for all his brilliance, promotes a policy of denying US citizenship to Muslims; registering all present US citizens who are Muslim into some sort of special registry; and ending all business with Muslim nations.

I don't think that Spencer is a 'fear filled idiot' as stated by Bob. I did not get that impression at all after listening to the audio.

I think he is more realistic than D'Souza. D'Souza thinks that 9/11 wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the liberals - and I hate to tell him but Reagon and Bush I both empowered the radicals during their term. It just wasn't as great as when Clinton empowered them (see my post above).

History does matter with Islam - and just because they got beaten back during one time period - Islam is a powser keg that we all sit on since its teachings in the koran tell them to wage violent jihad against us. All Islam needed was the right circumstances and right leader(s) to start its violence.

How can D'Souza explain the violence in Southeast Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and now Western Europe? they were not all liberals. ALthough the Western Europeans have a disease called liberalism that has given islamofacists carte blanche access to all of Europe. It is what we are fighting on two fronts now - liberalism and Islamofacists.

How do you not isolate the so called 'moderates' in this??!! They do absolutely nothing and are a-ok with the killings and dissemination of 'infidels' in mostly muslim countries. I am tired of this cowardice of 'moderate' muslims while they are a-ok with the killings of others.

And one more thing - the BIG difference between fundamentalist Christian (or any other fundamentalist) vs fundamentalist muslims - we treat those who bomb people and places as criminals and give them a trial and jail. Muslims do not - they praise them as jihadists and martyrs.
Many of the muslim's (moderates too) are against non-muslims and women. There are other laws - but they are mostly sexual in nature and fall into the laws against women while the men, mostly, get off with the 'crimes'.

Lores, thanks for the show. Robert Spenser and those of his ilk should keep up the pressure. Without said pressure, a refomation of Islam will not happen. Without a reformation, Dinesh may be correct. Muslims must decide which way they want to go.

Perhaps Dinesh and Robert are both correct in their analysis. Perhaps Islam at its core does, in fact, teach intolerance and jihad, even though not all Muslims practice what the core teaching is. And, perhaps the exposure to conflicting cultural values carried through movies and the internet give the radical muslims a valuable recruiting tool to use in conjunction with those core texts, teachings and traditions from the Koran and the hadiths.

OK, calling him an idiot was over the top. I'm sorry for that. But I do think Spencer is too fearful, even though in ways I'm thankful for his fear if it continues to help him alert us to what is actually going on within Islam. But you should read D'Souza's book. It's not as dhimmi and absurd as Spencer and Trifkovic are saying.

Bob, I do not think that Spencer is fearful or paranoid. I believe he is earnest in his wish to warn Americans of the danger which exists within our very borders. The terror is so real to him that he is desparate to have others believe him.

SSgt, I do not understand why you feel that most Americans have no knowlege of the Islamic terrorism which has continued for centuries, and is threatening to explode upon us here in the United States. 9/11 was not the first time we have been attacked, just the first time on our own sovereign soil.

You have an awful cheek claiming to be "one of the few who is getting an understanding of it" Numerous people were aware of the fate that Islamo-Nazis intended for non-Moslems years before 9/11. You were probably warned by someone but chose to ignore the information.

Then you said, "but it has taken many books, and other readings and listening to people on the web".Lester Sumrall wrote a book more than 25 years ago warning against the coming Jihad and explaining that the Islamics hated us. Mr Sumrall was a Christian writer, but his books are still in print and there are others who also wrote warning us that we were not safe as a nation or as non-Moslems. Long before the web was developed, people cautioned us that we were not safe from the coming menace of Islamic Jihad just because we are not Moslem and not because we are a threat to them.

I heard from a man who converted to Christianity after being a Muslim for most of his life said, "If you are a devout Muslim and follow a strict interpretation of the Koran you will be a terrorist." He added that most Muslims are not as devote and follow Islam as an outward show. They are like a lot of people in this country who think they are Christians but but are only in an outward show.

If you listen to what they say it is not to hard to figure out that they are the enem, period!

I think we all should recognize that we of the West are subsidizing our own destruction by the transferance of over $10 trillion dollars to the Middle Eastern oil-producing states, since the mid-1970s. For that kind of money, you can buy a lot of politicians & media influence, fund many large & beautiful mosques around the world, and of course, plenty of weapons/training for the jihadi terrorists.
Once the oil runs out, then we'll see muslim power return to it's post-World War One level.
Robert, keep up the good work, more & more people are getting your message!

Polonius, Box cutters and dynamite are cheap. It didnt cost much to murder 3,000 Americans on our own soil in New York City and Oklahoma City. Mohammad did not have to rely on Middle Eastern oil either, in order to invade Europe with his cut-throat hordes.

Your argument does not hold oil, er, water.

MaeJ, I live and work in the Bay Area - I am surrounded by the left - maybe that is where I am getting the idea that so very few know what we are facing.

I also think that Spencer has a right to be alerted - I won't call it fear though. Look at Lebanon, and Eastern Europe, and what the muslims have done to that country - the 'moderates' sat back and did nothing while the radicals are chewing it up. It is now happening in Europe. And why? the same thing - the radicals and left wing apologists are chewing up that country for Islam while the 'moderates' do nothing.

We have seen the same thing happening in Pakistan, Kashmir, India, the Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Africa, and they are in South America too.

Look at how many people are in a tither over 9/11 and that it was a USA, or BUsh, or Jewish conspiracy. Look at what those who do know what we are up against have to fight - our own politicians, college people, and media in order to get across - 'we have a problem, Houston'.

One thing I have noticed - the mainstream media barely mentions anything at all except to point out how many people have died in Iraq. They hate Bush and are so blind that they can't think any further than that. They want Bush to fail. Unfortunately for them, Islamofacists hate them too. They just use them and will throw them away if the time comes.

I don't agree with Yikes. It seems to me that a large part of the problem was the poor connection between Robert's phone line and the network. I thought Lores did an excellent job under the conditions.

Yikes, are you referring to the debate on Sunday? If so, I disagree with you.

Your critique of Lores as a speaker and talk show host is misplaced. What were you listening to that evening?

I had to listen to Lores on the radio stream, but there was no undue speech impediment or confusion on her part. Also I do not feel that Lores should have been expected to referee two experienced speakers as though they were children.

The fact that both D'Souza and Spencer were so passionate about their beliefs and subject knowledge, and chose to use the forum of Lores's show to air their differences of opinion, does not detract from her expertise as an accomplished and competent host.

I am a conservative talk show host listener with 20 years experience and I choose to listen to Lores on Sunday nights because she is articulate and well informed.